Although I have tried to hear all the recordings Teddy Wilson ever made over more than half a century, the man himself was harder to find.  True, I did hear him in person several times at Newport Jazz Festival concerts in New York City, once at the Highlights in Jazz concert series, at The New School (alongside Claude Hopkins, Dill Jones, and Eubie Blake!), and once at a shopping mall, Roosevelt Field, where, in the winter of 1971, he was one of four or so jazz performers who had hour-long gigs among the shoppers.  (I recall that one other group was Roy Eldridge, an organist whose name I can’t recall, and the recently departed Eddie Locke; another was Joe Farrell, Wilbur Little, and Elvin Jones.  My friend Stu Zimny was there, too, and might have driven the car as well.)  Wilson brought with him the veteran bassist Al Lucas and drummer Gary Mure, son of the guitarist Billy Mure — if I remember correctly.  In his perfformance, Wilson did what had, by that time, become an “act”: his Benny Goodman medley, his Gershwin medley, his Fats Waller medley, his Count Basie medley — glistening but routine.  

I was a terribly earnest jazz-mad college student; one of my most precious records was the 1956 PRES AND TEDDY, reuniting Lester Young, Teddy, Gene Ramey, and Jo Jones.  After the concert was over, I stood by the piano, waiting patiently until some of the fans and hand-shakers had dispersed (perhaps some of them were telling how much they remembered Teddy’s work with the Benny Goodman Trio in 1935).  I shyly came up to Wilson, told him how much I admired his work and how much I loved this recording and would he sign it for me (all in one breath), and he gave me the faintest hint of a polite smile, said, “Thank you very much,” signed his name neatly and handed the record back to me.  And that was it.  

The photograph at the top of the page — with Teddy, Lester, and Jo — comes from that session, I believe. 

In retrospect, Teddy’s reticence makes a good deal of sense.  Playing music for shoppers can’t have been good for the psyche: Wilson logically would want to have collected his fee and gone home.  And he was perfectly polite: I just had the sense that talking to fans was alien, that I had unwittingly attempted to breach his privacy, the door had opened a crack and had closed quickly and decisively. 

I was reminded of this experience today in my small expedition to the New York State Library for the Performing Arts at Lincoln Center. 

As someone whose fact-chasing predates the internet — I like doing research in libraries.  I’ve spent a good deal of my life in the stacks, or in Special Collections, or in handling one-of-a-kind documents (while protective librarians usually come up behind me and hiss that I am NOT to put my elbow on the page). 

Which brngs us back to Teddy Wilson.  Years ago, I found a 10″ lp on the Jolly roger label in a second-hand store (price four dollars) of his solo performances of songs I had never heard before — among them WHEN YOU AND I WERE YOUNG, MAGGIE — which I bought, clutching my treasure until the moment I could put it on the phonograph.  The solos were new to me, and they were splendid, including a version of I’LL SEE YOU IN MY DREAMS which had a sweet little descending figure in the bass after the first statement of the title phrase. 

Eventually I learned that these 1938-39 performances were part of a business enterprise called THE TEDDY WILSON SCHOOL FOR PIANISTS.  I don’t think Wilson was terribly ambitious, but he was looking for ways to capitalize on the fame and recognition his work with Goodman and Holiday had brought him in the second half of the Thirties.  And someone (was it Wilson?) suggested that he could set up a correspondence course for the young men and women who wanted to play in the Wilson manner.  Leo Feist and other music publishers had tried to capitalize on this by selling music books of Waller, Tatum, James P., and other pianists’ transcribed solos — how accurate the transcriptions were is always open to dispute.  Wilson’s “school” was different in one crucial aspect: at the end of his Brunswick sessions, he would record one or two solos, which would be pressed as 78 records with the SCHOOL label and sold through the mail, as well as transcriptions of what had been played.  Theoretically, the student could follow along — hearing the record and reading the score — to know exactly what Wilson was doing. 

In his oral history, TEDDY WILSON TALKS JAZZ, Wilson recalled this about the experience (an excerpt I found at, a thrilling site for anyone interested in piano jazz and jazz arcana of the highest order):

I have done quite a bit of private teaching in my life, too, and the young people I’ve had as pupils have always been between sixteen and twenty years of age. At one time I had my own school in New York, “The Teddy Wilson School for Pianists,” from 1936 to 1939, with three excellent partners, and we turned out some very good students. J. Lawrence Cook was my chief assistant there and he was great on the theoretical side of the jazz piano and shaped the printed courses we had, containing sheet music of my improvisations on popular melodies. They proved very successful in teaching by mail. However, I had to give it up in the end because costs just kept soaring. Advertising and copyright payments were heavy items, especially as the latter were always for very popular songs. The other partners in my school were Eve Ross and Teddy Cassola. Their contribution rounded out the work done by the [sic] Cook and me. My having to be away traveling and performing so much of time led some to believe I only “fronted” the school. Not so. I was completely involved. [TW 110-111]

I have never seen an original SCHOOL 78, although a vinyl issue on one of Jerry Valburn’s collectors’ labels — probably Meritt — collected all the issued and alternate takes from this series, and I have it — a prize!  And later the SCHOOL recordings were issued chronologically on the Classics and Neatwork CDs.  (The Commodore Music Shop was involved in this project as well, so I think that the music was first “officially” reissued on the first Mosaic Commodore box set.

But ever since I’ve had a computer, I’ve been checking Google for the scores themselves.  I am a sub-amateur pianist, but I harbor the hope that if I had a Wilson score in front of me, something placid, not TIGER RAG, then perhaps I could spend a winter working my way through thirty-two bars.  (I have the “Teddy Wilson” music books from the Thirties and Forties, but don’t trust them.)

Nothing emerged in cyberspace until a year or so ago, when I found that the Performing Arts Library (in the Lincoln Center complex) had an entry for the scores.  It seems that an American composer-pianist-arranger named Brainerd Kremer left his papers to the library, and in one of the boxes he had a set of the Wilson School scores. 

I filed this information away in the back of my mind until today, when I found myself with several hours of free time twenty blocks north of Lincoln Center, and set out, a brave researcher in search of the jazz Grail. 

The quest required a series of small perseverances on my part, taking me from one floor of the library to the other.  I hadn’t had a New York Public Library card for nearly fifteen years, so I had to reapply for one (simple and pleasant), had to log onto their system and find my way (reasonably simple), had to explain myself to the reference librarian (easy and quite pleasant) and then take my slip of paper to the third-floor Special Collections print department, hand it in, and wait for my number — 24 — to be displayed on the indicator above.  They were both busy and understaffed, so the ten minutes I had been told it would take turned out to be more like thirty-five, but then 24 was visible and I approached the desk.  The pleasant young woman had nothing in her hands but a piece of paper, always a bad sign, and she politely told me that they could not find what I was asking for, but that I should give them my name, phone, and email, and they would call me in a week if they found it. 

I hope they do, even if I have to buy a pad of music staff paper and start copying (for nothing so simple as photocopying happens without labyrinthine restrictions in most Special Collections) but I’m not optimistic.  Do any of my readers have a copy of the Wilson scores they wouldn’t mind lending me?  Or any good suggestions?  I need to learn how to play I’LL SEE YOU IN MY DREAMS as Teddy did.  I know this.  And I would hate to think that the elusive Mr. Wilson had eluded me after death in the library, too.

8 responses to “THE ELUSIVE MR. WILSON


  2. Hi, Back in the mid 70s, i worked with Marie Marcus, who was a protege of Fats Waller, all around different venues on Cape Cod, Ma. In l975 and 76, we performed at the old Dunfey’s Hotel in Hyannis. The GM used to book a different big name jazz musician every week to perform with us, such as Bobby Hackett, Vic Dickenson, Flip Phillips,Urbie Green, etc., and one week we had Teddy Wilson to perform with us. He wouldn’t play with the band — he just played solo piano on our breaks, or would play some duo piano solos with Marie. Interestly, I tried to get him to play a tune or two with me and the quartet, but he refused to do it. He said there were fifteen hundred better clarinetists in the world than me and Benny Goodman was way down on that list. So it was beneath him to play with me I guess. I had always heard the stories about Teddy and Goodman but then I realized that they were true. But he did autograph my business card and said nice things about me so he wasn’t all evil. And he always was sober when he played the gig, but it was in his contract that he was to have a fifth of Chivas delivered to his room at the end of the night. And it was gone the next day. As an addendum, I worked with a pianist in the late 70s and thru the 80s who was a Teddy Wilson clone. He was a first mate on one of the Woods Hole Oceanographic research vessels and had a salesman sample piano on board. When he was not on watch, he would practice for hours on the piano. He finally retired from the ocean gig and became a professional pianist. He admired Teddy and Dave McKenna the most. Jack Bumer passed away in 1994 and I do have a CD which features him on a number of tunes and when I listen to it now, holy moly, could he play. Michael, if you would like a copy of this CD, I have a couple left, let me know if you want one, it’s yours free of charge, just let me know your address, and thanks for your good will and work in keeping trad and mainstream or any jazz for that matter alive. Regards, Lee Childs

  3. John P. Cooper

    Snap response – I was there for the Roy Eldridge gig. He was set up next to a sculpture or terrarium or something, on a small or no stage right out in the open w/o fanfare. So odd. A little boy asked him what kind of music he had been playing and Roy said, “That’s Jazz.”

    Was Teddy Wilson there the same night?

  4. John, it was a series — whether weekly or monthly I can’t remember, but there were four separate jazz concerts in a row: Roy, then Teddy, then Elvin . . . and who was the fourth? I don’t know how many shoppers were really and truly paying attention to such things. Didn’t know you were there! A pleasant coincidence indeed . . . .

  5. John P. Cooper

    It was only one of two times that I saw Eldridge live and the casual oddness of the venue and presentation were so strange….as if they were having the mall organist tinkling out the theme to THE LOVE BOAT or paying a mariachi band to stroll around. No MC, no nothing.

    Roy had the power of his horn to ‘establish’ himself there, but Teddy Wilson may have been far less ‘at home’.

    What could the wintertime shoppers have thought? Mercy!

  6. I do recall Elvin Jones playing at the Roosevelt Field Shopping Center as an exceedingly odd collision of worlds.

  7. John P. Cooper

    Jazz at the Mall.

    When you think of it, it is a rather American thing to do. It reaches the uninitiated and the convert at the same time.

    Where’s Norman Granz when we need him for a JATM tour?

    “Some folks say that Jazz won’t stay
    and it’s dying out.
    But “Jazz at the Mall” is really tall
    and they don’t know what they’re talking about!”

  8. I can’t be sure but I have experienced him at Village Gate in 1967 or 68. I ordered stake for the night. Right, it was the second floor. Or was it?

    Anyhow, I had this great chance to listen the Great and eat the great. There was one big drawback. The sound effect was just terrible. The echo of piano sound jumps around the room during the whole play.

    That was like torture. I want hear music! But don’t try to dump with echo! See?

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